I finally saw the movie and while there was a lot I liked, this pretty much highlights the one thing I hated which was the character design for their faces. It was so plasticey and fake that it went uncanny valley for me, like watching two very expressive Barbie dolls.
Loved the song, loved their relationship, loved how the scene panned away to Elsa’s side and punched you in the heart.
But I feel like other studios have done better with character design for ladies (the ladies in the croods, HTTD, Epic, most pixar ladies) for making them expressive. Disney itself did better with the ladies in Wreck It Ralph and Rapunzel’s design in Tangled. With Rapunzel, even though she was Disney princessey she had those wide set nostrils and extra wide mouth so it looked like she had the normal feature variation human faces have.
The character designs for them in this pretty much reinforced my opinion that people were right to nail that one animator to the wall for what he said. Because a lot of the movie was great, but the two of them look more like Barbies than people and it’s jarring. Their body/clothes designs were okay and memorable but their faces were weird. And it was even more jarring when the dude characters had a lot of variation and flaws (like Kristoff’s giant nose.)
it’s mainly their noses that throw me off. Their nose bridges are pretty much nonexistent. I feel like the shape of their eyes and mouths were fine, but I wish they’d done something different with their jawlines, noses, and the general shape of their faces. I do like the way that they look, but come on. You’d be blind if you said that their designs aren’t almost identical to Rapunzel’s.
I will say that the theory floating around about them actually being related to Rapunzel is kind of interesting and does off a possible explanation, but for real. The artists could have done better.
I agree. It’s kind of like they tried to make every feature too small and perfect when you need at least one or two to be jarring since it’s rare to have all those tiny perfect features in one face. So they don’t look human.
I went into it more in my little ask thing I answered up there, about how Rapunzel’s nose helped her seem more real.
This just in: nobody is happy with anything ever!
This just in; they are fictional characters. Not real people.
Are you going to complain about Olaf’s proportions? No. Because it’s animated. BOOM.
I’m so sorry for being critical of something someone made instead of taking it in and adoring it without question. I really shouldn’t have said that I loved most of the movie except for one element, I’ve realized my mistake now.
You’re right. People shouldn’t talk about things like proportions and anatomy in visual storytelling mediums. They’re not relevant at all to the craft of animation and it was rude of me to even question it.
I feel like this gif is a representation of me as Elsa and the film itself as Anna, but instead of ice powahs I have the ability to shoot out crazy fans from my fingertips.
Did I mention that I really like it when you analyze stuff like this?
I am so, so sorry you have to share the fandom with fans like this. I’ve had to in fandoms in the past and it wasn’t really fun. I’m just really grateful for you folks that love the movie but understand others might have criticisms - and that also understand that despite having criticisms, they might still enjoy the movie, too! Like I said, I actually enjoyed most of it other than some issues with stuff like this. Not enough to really do anything in the fandom (which is how I felt about Brave, Tangled, and Wreck-It Ralph) but enough to think it was a pretty good movie.
And I’m glad you enjoy the analysis. I’m not doing it to trash things for the sake of it. You can bet I’m going to use all this analysis in any stories I tell in whatever mediums I tell them in someday and I just think it’s good to look at how stories are executed. Even with my writing, I pay a lot of mind to the imagery, to how it would play out if it was a movie because that’s just part of my style, and thinking about and picking apart visual elements in animation helps me do that. With some of my books, it means instead of really generic settings, we’ve come up with animals like out of Miyazaki movies, ancient rotting modern cities underground in fantasy worlds, trees that grow in ways that make it so when the wind blows through them it sounds like woodwinds, and oceans full of creatures based on the more beautiful and strange ones in the Earth’s oceans.
I like thinking out loud about this stuff when watching stories since it helps me think about it when creating stories.
I’ve kind of been trying to stay away from the fandom; I just lurk around people that reblog Frozen stuff instead. I actually follow a person that has posted some things, but they’re… not necessarily from my end of the opinion scale in regards to these things in the movie, and because I don’t want to offend them or go off on a tangent about it I’ve kept my mouth shut and get on quasi-random blogs but not tags or anything since I don’t feel like getting into it.
For a lot of personal reasons that connect really well with what you’ve written, I’m against the character visuals in Frozen and am freakin’ psyched to hear that you’ll actually be upping the imagery in your own stuff since I can bet my socks it isn’t something I’ll just glaze over and be done with—I love me some rotting cities. Also that little blue lizard thing is adorable and I want one as a pet.
The thing is, you’d think with reflection like this we may have seen something good out of movies like Frozen (or, y’know, all that teeny girl-looks-aside-whilst-shirtless-dude-embraces-her-from-behind-cover YA novel stuff) assuming that other creators in general do the same things. HUARRGGH.